tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37032121.post5242213305207807869..comments2024-03-07T06:04:27.839-08:00Comments on Museum 2.0: A Revised Theory of Social Participation via "Me-to-We" DesignNina Simonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11723930679606298550noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37032121.post-58958880639329017362013-06-17T10:09:31.335-07:002013-06-17T10:09:31.335-07:00Isabel,
One of the ideas that has most influenced...Isabel,<br /><br />One of the ideas that has most influenced me since I wrote the book is the distinction between "bonding" and "bridging" forms of social capital. Bonding happens within intact groups, bridging among strangers. Both are useful and valuable, but social bridging has been eroded as social bonding has increased--leading, in the US at least, to a highly segregated society. For that reason, I would argue that we should focus our energy on bridging but also acknowledge the value of bonding. I do not think that you can think of an intact group as an "individual" for the very good reasons John Falk puts forward in his museum visitor identity work: within any group, there are many agendas and needs.Nina Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11723930679606298550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37032121.post-83915937673054830332013-06-13T07:44:44.023-07:002013-06-13T07:44:44.023-07:00Hi Nina,
I know I'm late to this conversatio...Hi Nina, <br /><br />I know I'm late to this conversation, but I'm doing a research project on social interactions in museums and am reading The Participatory Museum now. I'm really struck by the notion of "me-to-we" participation and design. My question is, though, what's the difference in a Stage 5 experience if it invokes social interaction between strangers or simply between people who came together in a group? Is there a difference? Should we be aiming for or measuring the former, rather than the latter? Or should we be considering a group of people that come to a museum together as the "individual" who encounters the content? I gather the answers to this question are largely couched in the missions of individual museums, but I'm interested to hear your thoughts on the distinction between inter- and intra-social participation. Isabel Heberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03373386383489148811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37032121.post-85724090670298984622010-10-18T13:48:54.171-07:002010-10-18T13:48:54.171-07:00A recent private museum tour at Staatliche Kunstsa...A recent private museum tour at Staatliche Kunstsammlungen Dresden (http://twitter.com/skdmuseum) in Dresden made clear that lots of intangible knowledge is lost when exhibition is moving or closed.<br /><br />The idea is to capture this knowledge already during the exhibition on a "social container" ("boundary object") called WikiWall (http://twitter.com/WikiWall). <br /><br />I am writing on a white paper on further use of such a "social container" in the context of museum. Where would you see the chances of such a tool? If you are interest to learn more about the project please let me know and I will send you the link.<br /><br />Cheers, RalfRalfLippoldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15149352083082630755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37032121.post-51363192222500552312010-02-03T17:39:41.899-08:002010-02-03T17:39:41.899-08:00I appreciate your application of the design to tan...I appreciate your application of the design to tangible situations. Despite my previous reading of Hausen & de Santis' Aesthetic Stage Development, I had not exactly found the connection to my practice in their writing in the same sense that your work conveys. I enjoy the succinct approach.Lillian Lewishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11083093099531479205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37032121.post-86402342319197912292010-02-03T16:07:13.228-08:002010-02-03T16:07:13.228-08:00Nina,
I agree with the comments regarding the loos...Nina,<br />I agree with the comments regarding the looser association of each element in a non-linear manner - I have a rudimentary diagram I worked on that helped clear up the process and would be happy to email copy to you. You can reach me at rick-work@prodigy.net and I will send.<br />Rick Oldenburg<br />Tacoma, WAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37032121.post-1387408044907767902010-02-02T02:05:07.767-08:002010-02-02T02:05:07.767-08:00Hi Nina,
Thanks for a great blog! I was just readi...Hi Nina,<br />Thanks for a great blog! I was just reading your me-to-we framework – it really inspired me. I just have a comment relating to my own research in the permanent collections at National Gallery in Denmark. I realize that your theory can be used both for web and for the physical exhibition. My comment is when applying it for the actual exhibit. My research clearly shows that people visiting the National Gallery do so for a social purpose and the really want to engage with the exhibits and with each other – but not so much with other visitors. They are there to talk with their friend, family member etc. but want to do it in an interesting stetting. I am therefore working on a stage 4-5 where already formed pairs/groups can engage in conversation, use their personal history ect, There is of course also cultural differences relating to the use of museums – Im also connected to Leicester University in the UK and it is clear that the UK audience is very different from the Danish one.Mettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13956602605938171554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37032121.post-26827541257931052162010-02-01T09:26:18.030-08:002010-02-01T09:26:18.030-08:00I definitely think there's some validity to th...I definitely think there's some validity to the concerns about the model's hierarchical nature. Could you revise it to be circular, with each "stage" as a point around a circle? In my mind, they are not so much stages as they are phases; progressive, yes, but not hierarchical. I can see that a "stage" could indeed by skipped, which is why (for me) the linear nature and/or concentric circle doesn't really work.Kathleen Tinworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16568649929990471700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37032121.post-63474199605648600712010-02-01T07:44:40.997-08:002010-02-01T07:44:40.997-08:00PMKatz -
At first I thought "yes! Phil'...PMKatz - <br /><br />At first I thought "yes! Phil's absolutely right!" but then I realized that this _is_ progressive, if not intended to be hierarchical. I'm focusing on going from personal to collective. I don't think a double-sided arrow really works because you don't step down through the stages the way you step up through them. When you want to go from we to me, you can just remove yourself from the party or conversation.<br /><br />I do think it's interesting to make stages 1/2 more "appealing" which is what I read into your suggestions. But I don't see value judgments that are comparable in the higher levels - just more words. Let me think on this... and thanks!Nina Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11723930679606298550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37032121.post-50321079722905170052010-02-01T07:38:38.092-08:002010-02-01T07:38:38.092-08:00I agree with those who express some concerns about...I agree with those who express some concerns about the hierarchy implicit in this diagram. How does the analysis change if the vertical line between "we" and "me" simply becomes a double-headed arrow? Or if the primary interaction at "stage 1" is relabeled "Individual engages deeply with content" or "Individual assimilates content with other knowledge and values" or "Individual is transformed by contemplation of content," etc?PM Katzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01209017394612388811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37032121.post-59527116696150147002010-01-31T19:29:59.986-08:002010-01-31T19:29:59.986-08:00I haven't being to your site for a while but I...I haven't being to your site for a while but I made up for it tonight. Your post on the 5 stages of the me to we design was inspiring and timely. I'm starting a community restoration initiative with youth and you have given me fresh ideas for my project. You helped me see the opportunity to support youth as story tellers in their community. You can read my full post on my web site. <br />thanks,<br />BrentBrent MacKinnonhttp://socialmediatools.canoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37032121.post-75804974018513578222010-01-30T12:30:16.112-08:002010-01-30T12:30:16.112-08:00Hi Nina-
Since it's a me to we, and by default...Hi Nina-<br />Since it's a me to we, and by default me is part of we, is there a way to think of the framework as concentric instead of hierarchical? My singular experience is going to remain individual in nature even if I'm participating in a more social activity or environment. Rather its the sphere of influence that my participation will have on other participants and the overall experience that expands at each stage.S. Mannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08328783438597757093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37032121.post-35186803447081816772010-01-29T13:46:15.305-08:002010-01-29T13:46:15.305-08:00Thanks for your comments - Paul and Haritha - good...Thanks for your comments - Paul and Haritha - good points. I'll think about how to remediate this to make it clear that the stages aren't strict... I've also received some feedback saying the vertical orientation introduces a value judgment on the "higher" vs. "lower" interactions... but I haven't found a way to fix that.Nina Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11723930679606298550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37032121.post-22837942590905102102010-01-29T06:27:00.198-08:002010-01-29T06:27:00.198-08:00I think it is a great framework with excellent exa...I think it is a great framework with excellent examples and I will use it and think about for a long time. This is in the context of websites, online communities, even online events.<br /><br /><br />I keep thinking about football and football teams. I have experienced all the stages upside down when I have been to other countries or if it has been a World Cup. Kids and teenagers also travel from 5 to 1 interacting with their peers and latching on to trends and gangs.<br /><br /><br />I am never very taken with stages and would like to know at what level of expectation this inversion occurs or the stages breakUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03714037124643954449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37032121.post-46204396199377669872010-01-28T10:26:42.794-08:002010-01-28T10:26:42.794-08:00Nina,
I agree with Paul Orselli in that the me-to...Nina, <br />I agree with Paul Orselli in that the me-to-we experiences are not necessarily linear or hierarchical. Maybe... <br />A. The stages apply more to the design than the experience, so the subject of this diagram may be the designer and not the visitor? <br />OR<br />B. Remove the "stage" column?<br />Thanks for another great post, <br />harithaHarithahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09642334519533120585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37032121.post-49240523114766886602010-01-27T21:29:46.535-08:002010-01-27T21:29:46.535-08:00Nice frame work. It seems to fit many group inter...Nice frame work. It seems to fit many group interactions. It was fun to makeup my own - engineering projects at a large company:<br /><br />STAGE 5: contact manager to join the project.<br />STAGE 4: learn more about the individuals on the project.<br />STAGE 3: see how many people are on the project, what they say about it.<br />STAGE 2: pick a project.<br />STAGE 1: look at projects.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37032121.post-83607060490284467382010-01-27T09:04:07.268-08:002010-01-27T09:04:07.268-08:00I really like the new diagram. It's much easie...I really like the new diagram. It's much easier to understand and I love the way it can be expanded as you did in the post. That makes it consistent and yet customizable: yay!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37032121.post-2457907702764138252010-01-25T19:47:22.512-08:002010-01-25T19:47:22.512-08:00Good post, nice blog. Thanks for share useful info...Good post, nice blog. Thanks for share useful information. I like this post.balujan26http://www.deals365.usnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37032121.post-6677059682319614872010-01-25T16:13:15.649-08:002010-01-25T16:13:15.649-08:00Hey Nina...Joel here from YBCA. Great effort here ...Hey Nina...Joel here from YBCA. Great effort here with constructing a new way to think of audience engagement machine. There are complementary stage theories that support your theory: Hausen & de Santis' Aesthetic Stage Development and Prochaska's Stages of Change Theory.Joel Tanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05439016589883363386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37032121.post-53076476916976678802010-01-25T10:01:48.662-08:002010-01-25T10:01:48.662-08:00Just like yourself, Caterina Fake of Flickr also s...Just like yourself, Caterina Fake of Flickr <a href="http://kottke.org/06/11/hosting-a-party" rel="nofollow">also stresses the importance of acting like a good host at a party, as a means to build up a community</a>. <br /><br />At first, I thought it was just a coincidence but then I started thinking about it and realized that a party is one of the relatively few social situations where one is expected to interact with strangers. <br /><br />So another way to put it might be, 'in the absence of a host - to connect people of like interest - we need observable objects - like nametags - to fill in for that role...Mitahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17662779929151451964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37032121.post-32515981290156539632010-01-25T09:14:48.468-08:002010-01-25T09:14:48.468-08:00Hi Nina,
I'm wondering if in live, "in-p...Hi Nina,<br /><br />I'm wondering if in live, "in-person" museum situations, not necessarily involving computer/on-line adjuncts, like the Walters example you give, if the five stages may look less hierarchical and more like a flow-chart.<br /><br />For example, I think visitors to the Heroes exhibition could skip from stage 2 to stage 5 and still have a satisfying social/participatory experience as part of their visit.POW! (Paul Orselli Workshop, Inc.)https://www.blogger.com/profile/05111591384018210698noreply@blogger.com