tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37032121.post3100427722878898229..comments2024-03-27T05:04:39.476-07:00Comments on Museum 2.0: Game Friday: Spore, Self-Expression, and the Pitfalls of Creating Your Own UniverseNina Simonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11723930679606298550noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37032121.post-18325279031750703442010-02-01T14:09:59.851-08:002010-02-01T14:09:59.851-08:00I liked this gameI liked this gameالعاب فلاشhttp://www.gamesawy.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37032121.post-5718583282892580722010-01-13T03:10:01.582-08:002010-01-13T03:10:01.582-08:00I liked this game, Spore is a unique game, but it ...I liked this game, Spore is a unique game, but it wasn't successful as they planned to, this is the first time i hear about this expression "game 2.0", but it's really describes well the game.العابhttp://www.3f3.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37032121.post-11051102942414056572009-04-14T11:01:00.000-07:002009-04-14T11:01:00.000-07:00I think Rockband is a successful game 2.0. It all...I think Rockband is a successful game 2.0. It allows and even encourages multiple social interactions, deeply teaches in the sense that you gain new understanding of the material, and is completly adjustable in that by downloading new songs you can shape the material or content of the game.Michael Dale WIlsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16410884082177953780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37032121.post-45311407900551249332009-04-13T07:50:00.000-07:002009-04-13T07:50:00.000-07:00John and Jais,The reason I wrote about Spore is be...John and Jais,<BR/>The reason I wrote about Spore is because it's an illustration of the fallacy that everyone wants to be a creator (a fallacy that many museums fall into).<BR/><BR/>Will Wright is banking on the idea that people don't want to PLAY games, they want to MAKE them. And while that's true for a few people, they represent a minority.<BR/><BR/>The same could be said for things like visitor co-created exhibits. Only a few visitors really want to make their own exhibits. But many may want to "play" them--whether that means just consuming them or participating at a lower barrier to entry.<BR/><BR/>Does that make sense?Nina Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11723930679606298550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37032121.post-63791255949321209522009-04-13T07:15:00.000-07:002009-04-13T07:15:00.000-07:00You know Monopoly is 2.0. I can buy, or I can just...You know Monopoly is 2.0. I can buy, or I can just continue to go around the board and quietly pay rent until I am out of money.<BR/>But why are games and 2.0 intricately connected? What are the implications for museums?<BR/>Is there a real connection for museum people or is it a geek centered phenomena that puts the social media and gaming world together?<BR/>What is most crucial for me<BR/>(because I believe that games have a powerful potential to make what museums do better) is present the ways the behaviors associated with social media can be captured to fit mission, benefit institutions, and make our content more dynamic. I work with lots of people who get either turned off when you mention games or they think that the whole world will be based on Linden dollars in the future. <BR/>Social Media must be translated into practice in the 3-D world right? And we are tasked with bringing people along with us in incremental steps<BR/>Many are so locked in our silos that we have become stale in our execution, so if it is Spore or a gallery treasure hunt its all good if it makes the end user in the real world context have a more meaningful engaged experience.John Buchingerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01051709680631836851noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37032121.post-12067818244739535512009-04-12T12:12:00.000-07:002009-04-12T12:12:00.000-07:00My thoughts on Game 2.0, whatever it may mean.Ther...My thoughts on Game 2.0, whatever it may mean.<BR/><BR/>There's the 2.0 idea of authority as a platform provider, not a content provider, right? I think to really look at what Game 2.0 means, we have to look at what is considered a platform, and what is content.<BR/><BR/>When Spore tries to become a platform provider as Game 2.0, it's narrowly defining 'platform' as the ability for a player to become a game designer. "We'll give you the tools, and you can create your own game, which you can then share with others."<BR/><BR/>But to me, I guess, the real content of the game are the actions taken by the player. A developer as a content provider defines what a player can and should do through the course of the game. It clearly defines the actions a player can or can't take, and how and when a game 'ends'. Whereas, I think as a platform provider, the developers create a shell of a game that lets players how they're going to play and participate, whether it's by following a path determined by the game designer or moving off on their own.<BR/><BR/>I guess looking on it, I'm a little confused as to how to define games in a Web 2.0 setting. Are they platforms for social interactions, such as in MMORPGS? Are they social objects that get strangers to interact with each other? Does 'creation' within games refer to players creating content usually provided to game developers, or does it refer to creating intangible things like a guild of players or a strategy or even a whole new set of rules that work within an already constructed game world?Jaishttp://jaishann.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37032121.post-3931665454157109072009-04-11T17:38:00.000-07:002009-04-11T17:38:00.000-07:00Depending on your definitions, most games are "2.0...Depending on your definitions, most games are "2.0" - the users are the ones who create the "story", the games are the platforms. Spore's problem is not that it's a bad 2.0 game, but it's a 2.0 toy (see his TED talk - http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/will_wright_makes_toys_that_make_worlds.html) aimed at a younger audience.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15096366926737800712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37032121.post-86446989428057919072009-04-11T14:58:00.000-07:002009-04-11T14:58:00.000-07:00But Spore is an entirely "creator"-focused experie...<I>But Spore is an entirely "creator"-focused experience, which severely limits its potential for adoption. If you do not want to make creatures and watch them grow, this is not the game for you. Yes, the tools available to help you make creatures are lovely, but you still have to have that inclination in the first place.</I><BR/><BR/>Just for clarification, are you suggesting that a qualification for being a web 2.0 technology is that it be of interest and relevance to everyone? I know there are certain 2.0 technologies that I don't participate in, not because they aren't welcoming to my specific participation level (joiner, spectator, etc.), but because they don't interest me. Either I don't know about them, or I'm just not inclined to particpate. Flickr is an example for me. I may come across a photo when I'm doing a search, but I do not use the site for the social purposes for which I understand it to be intended.<BR/><BR/>I am also having trouble distinguishing between potentially classifiable social technologies that are "creator-focused" and those that have certain participation threshold requirements. Take facebook for example. To some extend I have to become a "creator" and a "joiner" as a threshold to "spectator" activities. I have to sign up (join) and create my own profile in order to view others'. Is this a fundamentally different situation than with Spore, or is it a level of degree? I'd say there are no thresholds for being a spectator with spore, if I can watch videos on youtube about different adventures or merely go to the website to view different folks' creations. Granted I have to use a seperate platform for viewing videos and commenting on them, but I can still be a spectator. Yet, facebook is thriving while while spore potentially won't.Kyliehttp://strangermuseum.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37032121.post-34922520864384727412009-04-11T13:56:00.000-07:002009-04-11T13:56:00.000-07:00The holy grail is to fully tap the creative market...The holy grail is to fully tap the creative market with fantastic creation tools, like in Spore or Second Life, and yet have that feed into a game that is also fantastic for the people who like to filter / mashup content and the 90% who just want to play with it. That's what YouTube is - it's surprising no one has hit that with gaming yet in a big way. Not that it is easy.Sibleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06861292758344267847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37032121.post-23336560622424765002009-04-11T13:53:00.000-07:002009-04-11T13:53:00.000-07:00Respectfully, I can't say that I agree with Jason;...Respectfully, I can't say that I agree with Jason; the best first person PC shooters, PC MMOs, and action games on consoles will be among the most successful (if not dominate the list of most successful) game titles well into the future. The majority of the market still doesn't have much interest in the games having meaning in reality, if you look at the marketplace. I suppose Madden NFL could tie into fantasy sports leagues in some way, but I doubt that will happen soon, and it will remain one of the most successful game titles.<BR/><BR/>Casual gaming is having huge success by separate metrics, although no single game titles among that category are nearly as financially successful. But casual games are often single platform, one-dimensional experiences as well.<BR/><BR/>I think Nina nailed it - if you want a product to be mass market (which isn't the only way to be successful), then you can't limit the experience to predominantly really motivated creative people. That is the box that will keep Second Life, for example, a niche product unless it is dramatically changed.Sibleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06861292758344267847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37032121.post-41547283102204821062009-04-10T14:29:00.000-07:002009-04-10T14:29:00.000-07:00Spore is failing because it is a one-dimensional g...Spore is failing because it is a one-dimensional game that is trying desperately to appeal to a complicated and diverse audience. I think Spore's failure as a Game2.0 demonstrates that the typical platform for computer gaming is changing. The most successful games won't run through a single application, they will be pervasive, wildly visible and will have meaning internally and in reality.Jason Herringtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16601944258582017142noreply@blogger.com