Monday, April 23, 2007

Warning: Museum Graduate Programs Spawn Legions of Zombies!

Okay, they don't eat people's brains. Heck, many of them are intelligent, sincere, interesting people. But someone needs to raise the red flag before it takes an MA to work the register at the admissions desk.

Summer's coming to D.C., and with it flocks of museum studies / education / exhibit planning graduate interns. I’m always curious when I meet these folks, who are about my age, choosing a different entry path into the museum world. The value proposition of museum grad programs is cloudy in my mind. Is it a credential that serves as a gateway to better jobs? Is it an education that would make me a better person?


Sure, it’s great to learn museum theory and history. But I have some big concerns about museums studies programs, namely:

Standardizing the field limits the potential for radical change.
I confess I often feel this way about school in general. One of the reasons I fell in love with museums is because they support learning that is distinctly un-school-like. So I see these programs as a threat, an encroachment of schoolishness on the willfully unschooled. Following a standardized curriculum to prepare for work in the museum field homogenizes the perspectives and skills people bring to museum jobs. I think one of the things that keep museums fresh, welcoming, and non-didactic is the fact that most exhibit designers, museum educators, and conservators come from a variety of backgrounds. You were a carpenter. I was an engineer. She was a ceramicist. He wrote poetry. Sure, we may have some communication trouble getting on the same page. But that’s worth it for the wealth of different experiences we bring to the table.

And by presenting the "right way" to do things, graduate school defines and judges other options as sub-optimal. Young people who walk into class with wild ideas may walk out (and into jobs) with the perception that those unique ideas are inappropriate or impractical. But those are the ideas we need to grow. Museum people aren’t mathematicians; our work can’t be traced to an immutable set of laws. The more we teach and judge based on laws, the less students and graduates will try to break them.

But this isn't just about my personal bias against school learnin'. I support pedantic educational models when goals and outcomes are clear. But no one can list the tangible skills these programs impart. When I ask alumni about the value of museum education/studies programs, they often say, “It was a good experience. But I wouldn’t recommend it for you.” This may sound reasonable; any life choice is a personal decision. But why isn't it right for me? Because I already have those skills? Because I'm already on the way? If I've learned in a few years of experience and reading--for free--what I would have learned in graduate school, why bother?

Other graduate programs develop hard skills. Last year, my museum was a “client” for an MIT product design grad course (in mechanical engineering). The students designed and fabricated prototype pieces of an upcoming exhibition. None of these students had backgrounds in educational theory or museum studies. And yet if given the choice to have one of them as an intern or a museum studies student, I’d choose a mechanical engineer in a second. All of those students had real skills—in building and design—to bring to the drafting table.

If the programs aren't about skills, are they a professional gateway? Not in my anecdotal experience. The credential is a crapshoot. I used to work at a children’s museum with another young woman who had a graduate degree in museum education. We cut the same construction paper. We taught the same programs. The only benefit her degree got her was 25 cents more per hour. I don’t think this is an unusual circumstance—most of the museum grad students I know have the same struggle as non-grad students to find museum jobs, made worse by hefty student loans. Worse, graduate school provides a sumptuous taste of exciting museum work via substantive intern projects which makes sinking into mundane entry-level jobs disappointing. At least I knew I wasn’t using a graduate degree to cut construction paper, that I was paying my dues without also paying thousands in loans. The grad students I know who have successfully transitioned from school to job did so because of connections they made in the program—connections they could have made on the job or at conferences. Why pay for an internship when you could offer yourself to a museum for free?

The graduate programs don't just offer false promises to students. The semblance of a credential creates a red herring that employers latch onto. Over the last 10 years, “graduate degree in museum X” has snuck into many listings for entry level museum jobs. Have these jobs changed such that a graduate degree is now a necessary prerequisite?

I asked my boss about this. She’s a graduate of a museum education program, and she originally hired me for a job that listed museum graduate degree as a prerequisite. She reflected and said that she would always prefer someone with interesting, diverse real-world experience over someone who just has a graduate degree. And yet, she admitted that seeing that MA on the resume imparts a certain comfort, a known quantity, that appeals to her. But how many interesting, diverse people like me would have turned away from that job listing because of a lack of the credential? How many resumes would she examine less closely due to lack of the MA? For her at least, the degree is a crutch that makes it easy for her to not seek out the best person for a job—which creates a lose-lose for the institution and for that best person, wherever he or she might be.


This is not to say that I don’t think education and learning is essential for our field. If anything, I support MORE educational opportunities in museums. But should they happen in a classroom? And is graduate school the best entry path for people new to the field? I want the head honchos of the museum world to spend some energy enabling apprenticeships, internships, and experimental projects, so that young people can learn real skills in the open, creative environments that museums can and should be. I want to see more graduate programs (and less formal opportunities) like Bank Street's Leadership program, which is for working, mid-career educators to collaborate and learn in a high-quality, focused environment. I want access and discussion around conference sessions, journal articles, exhibit critiques, and workshops.

When it comes to museum education, we need to stop grading and start enabling. “No one ever fails a museum.” But did they get an A in the class where they first learned that?

35 comments, add yours!:

Lynn Bethke said...

I must admit, this post really put me on the defensive, probably due to the fact that I am getting my MA in Museology in, oh, about a month's time. So there's a grain of salt for you.

I'm not sure I agree with the homogenization statement. In my program we come from a wide variety of backgrounds (biology, anthropology, theater, english, more) and, as the program is only 2 years, we're not that far from our backgrounds when we finish. We integrate museology into what we had before, much as we would have if we'd had 2 years of working for museums (and some of us had). We're not cookie cutter museum professionals and we're not sapped of our creativity. We might be tired given the season, but we're excited to face the world and make a difference. Do we think there's a right and a wrong way? For some things, like collections care, yeah, we probably do (or me anyway). But we all find our own relationship with museum practice, as much advice as we're given in the program.

Was it the right choice for me? Yes. And now I'm ready to move on, put what I've experienced into practice, and make a difference somewhere.

Nina Simon said...

Lynn,

I appreciate your comment and I'm glad to hear a perspective from the other side of the fence. I had a lot of trepidation about this post, because I know and respect lots of museum grad students, including yourself. I hope that more people will contribute stories of positive grad school experiences to balance this discussion.

Looking to the future, I'm concerned that these programs may grow into a necessity for museum work, like other professional credentialling programs. And I question whether that's a good thing for the industry or not. There's so much talk in museums about removing "barriers to entry" for visitors. I hope that these grad programs aren't putting up barriers to entry as staff for people with non-traditional backgrounds.

Lynn Bethke said...

I see your concern. And I'm not sure how to respond because I'm torn. I wonder if setting a barrier for some positions isn't actually a good thing. Museums bring together so many talents from so many disciplines, but if a person doesn't really understand what a museum is and what its goals are, might their work be, if not counter productive, less than ideal? Museum programs ought to be preparing their students to take on anything with a rounded knowledge of museums and the standards that reputable museums hold.

Still, a big part of my resistance to this post is exactly what you're saying in it. In part, I'm getting this degree because I want to work in museums professionally, and I don't think I could have gotten a job without the degree. If I can get one with it remains to be seen.

Sheila said...

Oh, don't worry for bringing this up, it has been a topic of many museum-l and museum-ed threads over the past few years.

I'm with you Nina, I'm not a big fan of the Museum Studies programs. I've supervised MS and MES interns and interviewed them for Education positions, and these folks, more often than non-MS/MES folks, are caught in more rigid expectations and ideas about museums. They also have had a harder time thinking on their feet and engaging in the history (I worked at history museums). This does not apply to everyone. My former boss is certainly an exception.

I'm a fan of education, don't get me wrong. I had an MA in American Studies with a focus on material culture when I jumped into my first museum internship. But it seems that degrees in a discipline are more helpful in the long run.
It's hard for me to understand how someone can get a very general "museum studies" or "museum education studies" degree and be ready to work in a history, art, children's, and science museum. Those institutions draw upon different ways of thinking about objects, scholarship, and pedagogy.

As for museum jobs, outside of the v. large institutions, most staff do basic tasks that contribute to the success of a program or an exhibit or just to maintain the basic services of the organization. I know I'm not the only MA who had a good salary and some status who cut construction paper, stuffed envelopes, and cleaned out clogged toilets (maybe not the last one--i really earned my pay that day!).

Anonymous said...

Well, as a current PhD student (PhD in same field as MA and BA), also working on a certificate in museum studies at a school that does offer an MA in museum studies, if I was at the beginning of the process, knowing what I do now, I would do things differently.

I would either:
1. Choose a more streamlined program in my field (which I didn't know existed when I started), either 5-year BA/MA, or combined MA/PhD (as I would have fewer student loans, and would have finished faster) or
2. Do an MA in museum studies, and then PhD in field.

That being said, I have been enjoying my museum studies classes, but I tend to feel that the students in the MA Museum Studies program are a little too idealistic, and not realistic enough. They don't have a grasp on the real world (period), and they certainly don't have a grasp on the reality of museums. The program itself kind of encourages this, as there are very few local museums that are "appropriate" for internships. The museum where I now work is one of the "inappropriate" ones, yet it is probably what most recent grads encounter in their first real museum job.

lamusediffuse said...

Although the education vs. experience dilemma used to be the focus of many debates on museums during the later times, it is not specific of museum professions. Ask if so the same question to any artist, historian, writer, or even computer engineer and you will find the same debate.

Learning and leaving are very personal experiences and they are not interchangeable and they do not exclusively depend on school and streets. What better works for ones is crazy for others. However, I must admit that I am totally with Lynn. Attending any MA in museum professions does not mean stopping of being a person and getting some other kind of life-knowledge in the meanwhile. What is more, why are museum professions programs supposed to be bad, just because they are expensive (like professional conferences)?

I see that many current museum professionals are reluctant to brand-new graduate students, because grads do not have experience. I wonder if those who say that got inside museums' world with the same expertise they are asking to graduate students. I also wonder if being an inexperienced person does relate to getting an education in museum professions programs or just to the fact of being young.

Young people are young people here and there, in museums' environment and in medicine. Any field has the same reluctance to inexperienced applicants, but that is life I guess. What is more, we could also twist this topic and ask about outdated museum professionals currently working for museums, but it is not my point.

I have personally found the MA environment totally enriching, including my classmates’ backgrounds. In fact, not only ceramists, historians and computer engineers are currently attending those programs, but also current museum professionals who want to learn, share and exchange experiences, in addition to see things from the outside. Moreover, maybe more museum professionals should attend those MA programs to realize that who are teaching them are mostly their colleagues: current museum professionals.

In any case, why should any museum professional feel threaten by "legions of zombies" (graduate students)? Let’s first show what we are able to do, if we are allowed, of course ;-)

Pilar Gonzalo

sspero said...

Ok, so I am completely defensive here. I teach museums studies now and have for over 15 years. I can list what our student outcomes are, and why we do what we do. As a faculty we talk about this all the time and are constantly changing what we do in order to remain as best possible at the edge the field, while still hitting the basics. The point is not standardization. How could it be given the wide variety of students that we place in the wide variety of museums that exist across the country?

Sure, history and theory are a part of the program, but we emphasize practical application and students who come to the program must do extensive and worthwhile internships. We work with the institutions where our students go to be sure they produce a substantial product. I am constantly seeking great mentors and it takes considerable effort to make that happen. By the time students graduate they have been exposed to substantial ideas and institutions. If there is any point of view where they are forced to accept our idea of the world it is that museums are for communities and real people. Ironically enough, in the past several years many of our students have become the ones pushing their bosses to think in new ways and to be more open to change.

The point of the program is to learn how to be able to gather information, analyze, synthesize, communicate and produce. For some, grad school of any kind is the first deep thinking experience of their lives (some lucky ones get this in college). For others with museum experience grad school gives them the chance to think and reflect about museums and learn new skills. Still others come because of the connections and a desire to have a degree.

I agree that Grad school isn't for everybody. But I don't think the field is harmed by those taking two years to learn what I had to get on my own, at a much more shallow level and at a much slower pace.

I'll stop now, but certainly could go on......

Nina Simon said...

I'm glad to see so much discussion around this. One thing I've noticed and wondered about in the last few years is it appears that the demographic in many of these programs has shifted younger. Anyone have any idea why this might be happening?

One thing that appeals to me about the Bank Sreet Leadership program is that it is explicitly for mid-career people. I think it makes a lot of sense to go back at some point to "reflect about museums and learn new skills" as sspero puts it. But as the demographic of students change, I imagine that professors are stretched to teach to the interests of fresh-from-college and vets-from-the-field. Which makes me look at the programs and the students and think, "this isn't for me." How can programs accommodate both?

capriciousmuse said...

Hi, Nina:

I would like to start by saying that I love your blog; I feel that I find fun nuggets and new ideas each time I read a post! I would also like to say that I am a graduate of a museum studies program, although, oddly enough, I don't feel particularly defensive about that fact. In fact, I completely understand your point of view. Especially regarding the frighteningly (and rapidly) growing numbers of museum studies grads, often emerging from their programs with a wide-eyed optimism despite the fact that they are about to enter an already-glutted market.

However, I do believe that, depending on the program, there can be great value derived from museum studies graduate coursework. I feel that it is important to note that not all museum studies programs are created equal. I thoroughly examined all graduate-level museum studies programs available at the time (about 20--in the intervening 9 years that number has most likely doubled), including visiting campuses and talking with both students and instructors.
What I found was that there was actually quite a number of types of programs calling themselves "museum studies" and some were definitely more up my alley than others.

Because I had already been in the museum field for a couple of years, I was very interested in finding a program that catered to professionals who could continue working during the day and attend classes at night or on the weekends. I was also intent on finding a program that had its basis in theory but with a strong emphasis on practical experience. And most importantly, I wanted a program whose instructors were actually real-life museum professionals and not just academics. I managed to find exactly what I was looking for.

I would like to note that what I wanted/needed in a museum studies program may not be what's right for another student.

I could go on and on about my specific program, but I think it would be more useful to simply list what I see as the benefits that I personally derived from it. (The skills I walked away with are fairly mundane--suffice to say I was able to do anything and everything necessary to be a registrar/collections manager at the end of the program.)

-- Professional contacts in a variety of museums and museum associations;
-- Hands-on experience in museums, both from classwork and from the mandatory internships;
-- The beginnings of a network comprised of both the already-established museum professionals who served as our instructors and guest lecturers as well as the emerging professionals who were my classmates;
-- The opportunity to join professional organizations at a seriously reduced rate and to attend conferences at "student" prices, as well as the ability to apply for travel stipends to conferences;
-- The luxury (and yes, it was a luxury) to actually discuss and debate issues concerning museums, from ethics to modes of leadership with people who were actually interested in these topics--too often in the "real world" of museums, I have found that no one actually wants to talk about new educational theories or about the impact of a stunning but impractical architectural vision for a new museum--people just want to keep their heads down and do their jobs;
-- The opportunity to participate (for free!) in an exhibition evaluation workshop and lecture led by Elaine Heumann-Gurian;
-- The support of respected professionals to examine a particular area of the museum world that was of interest to me, resulting in my final master's project (the goal of which was to develop a product that would contribute to the museum field);
-- A forum to share ideas and information about museums and the museum field.

Now, that I've made my opinions pretty well known, I'd like to specifically address a few of your arguments! :)

I agree 100% that the credential is a crap shoot. Especially, as I have already mentioned, as the field becomes glutted, having an MA in Museum Studies is rapidly becoming more and more like having a BA used to be--it is simply a pre-requisite to entry into the field. In fact, I have held positions where I would not have even been considered had I not held my degree. And they were entry-level positions. The credential is no guarantee of a "good" position right out of school, nor of rapid advancement or even any advancement at all.

While what I have just stated would seem to support your red herring theory, in fact it is more an indication of the desire of the field to "professionalize" itself. My past employers wanted to make sure that I had previous knowledge of how to care for objects. Sure, they could have looked at my resume and seen that I did, in fact, already have several years worth of hands-on experience caring for artifacts, but unless they had first-hand knowledge of the institutions, they felt that they had no guarantee that I had actually been trained properly by someone who knew what they were doing. Perhaps it just sounds like I am rationalizing a museum's decision to require the credentials, but to a certain extent, I understand. Especially, once again, given the fact that 200 people had applied for that same entry-level position as I had. Much like college admissions strategies, museums have to have some method for systematically making the initial cut.

I do agree with your boss, however: I'd rather have someone with great, fresh ideas and an interesting perspective and background than someone who *just* has the degree, and I do feel that years of experience still can overrule or substitute for the credentials, even in the minds of employers. But just because a person decides to go back for formal studies does not mean that s/he *doesn't* already have an interesting background. In my program we had someone who had been in publishing, someone who had been in insurance, someone who had worked on organic farms, someone who had been to Rainbow Gatherings, someone who had been a ballerina and someone who was a motorcycle mama!

Finally, I have a couple of thoughts regarding the standardization of the field through museum studies programs and the resultant limitations on the potential for radical change.

My first thought is that just as all museum studies programs are not created equal, not all areas of specicialization within a museum studies program are created equal. In a nutshell, there are certain areas of the museum field that are addressed very effectively by museum studies programs and others that are not. I would argue that exhibition design and development are not. Pertinent hands-on skills for collections management, registration, education and administration are easily attained within the coursework of a museum studies program, but exhibition development is an entirely different kettle of fish. To be completely honest, I have not seen a museum studies program that actually handles that aspect of the museum world very well. Perhaps the University of the Arts program, which is more about design than about museums, but I don't know much about it.

My second thought is far more cynical and dark: from what I have witnessed first-hand in museums, the vast majority of them are pretty doggedly averse to radical change anyway. This is one reason why I have been so inspired and heartened by the existence of museum bloggers and a whole community of museum professionals interested in web 2.0 and other tools and strategies that really embrace change and growth in the museum field.

Apologies for the length of my tirade...

Anonymous said...

im guessing the demographic shift is due to lack of jobs, ability of kids to pay for school, and the new hiring trends to favor degree-holders. what a bad trend. grad school is a place to reflect and share work experience. 22 yr. olds just don't bring the same values to the table. admissions officers should think about this trend - i know it’s good for business, but all my grad friends agree, the experiences of your cohort make or break the classes.

i am completing a museum education degree and am still figuring out the benefit of paying 35k when "experience" is what employers seem to want.

my program followed the exact same curriculum as the k-12 art teacher certification program, save for my practicum in the museum. not good. museology was nowhere in the picture and i find this to be a problem. there is minimal literature on the "applied science" of museology. i think that standardizing the issues would lend itself to better bridging diverse approaches (and employees) we want to draw to the profession.

that said, ‘im with nina on the problem of schooling. ivan illich's "deschooling society" is a must-read for educators, museum professionals....everyone who pays taxes, really.

i am an art educator. i can't justify that anyone 'needs' art. we certainly don't 'need' schooling - i'm still undoing all the bad habits i learned in school.

my main goal is to provide surprising opportunities to learn in everyday activities.

just think about what the business of grad programs in america means for hiring practices, the business of survival, the audiences we reach, the values we project - all the particulars that influence our ability to make meaning out of material culture. question it!

Sibley said...

capriciousmuse wrote above a list of the advantages of attending grad school. I think that if you examine the list, you'll find that a job will provide many of those benefits.

If you then throw on a concerted effort in a professional development activity, such as, say, writing a blog, I think you'd find that you'd get all those benefits and more (except for the discounts, but then if you're getting paid instead of paying for two years, the $ work out quite well in total).

So while benefits are there, they are at best an expensive way of getting them, from what I can tell. I would suggest that the same is true in most instances with business school and masters degrees in a number of technology-centered fields.

Leslie Madsen-Brooks said...

I have mixed feelings about graduate programs vs. experience. I'm not currently working in the museum field, but I have worked in informal science ed (science center and outdoor ed), and I have a Ph.D. in cultural studies, for which one of my areas of concentration was museum studies. My dissertation concerns women scientists working in museums.

I've applied for a few jobs in museums--usually education or exhibit research jobs--and I've been told at different times that I lack sufficient museum experience and that I'm overqualified because of the Ph.D. So that's frustrating. In my case, a degree and its specialized knowledge have become a liability--so much so that I can't break into the field without doing a lot of volunteer work. (I'd love to do volunteer work, but with a toddler and a lot of student loan debt, it's not going to happen anytime soon.) I know breaking into the museum field is difficult, but the degree seems to have made it more so.

Melissa said...

As an anthropology MA with limited experience in museum work, I can see how an MA in museology would be valuable. However, I do not believe that an MA in museology will always be the best person for the job. It will always be the responsibility of the non-MA job applicant for describing their interests and what qualifies them for the job.

On the flip side, I would hope that the employer would have an open mind about this, too.

I am looking seriously at a museology certificate program, and hope that this will give me just enough practical museum knowledge to help me in my work, yet am proud of the anthropology MA and all the expertise I can contribute to the field.

It's tough to put guidelines on museums, since there are so many museums of so many kinds, sizes, personalities, etc. What's great for one may not be great for another.

uvulabee said...

I've worked in a bunch of museums in a bunch of capacities, most recently (and the longest) as an outreach educator at a science center. For me, graduate school is serving to: a) give me more knowledge that I've discovered can be difficult to come by in "the outside world", and b) boost my nearly decade-old career.

I actually specifically decided to not pursue a masters in Museum Studies, but rather in Cognitive Studies, an interdisciplinary program offered as part of the Education Department at UW (hi Lynn - we just met at the conference, talkin' 'bout knitting!). I've found that most museum programs are pretty sparse in their education offerings, and I've also noticed that my Ed. classmates have overwhelmingly already been in the workforce for some time - I don't know the typical demographic of Mus students. We learn as much from each other as we do from our professors (sometimes I'd like to hear the professors a little more!). You can even turn this point around and state that it'd sure be nice if more people in graduate school had some real-life experience before coming to school.

From what I've read so far in the initial posting and comments, it looks like the debate here is primarily over education vs. experience". I'd think that an ideal resume would contain a healthy portion of both. I don't think my M.Ed. degree in Cognitive Studies would have served me much if I'd gone on to grad school straight out of college, but I do think it will help open some new doors at this point in my career.

Anonymous said...

I am a graduate of a Museum Studies program and I can honestly say I would not have gotten my job (which has never included cutting construction paper) without my degree. I found my job directly out of grad school, and was given a great deal of responsibility early on because my supervisors immediately saw that I could see the big picture within the museum. Not only could I create educational programs (my current position) but I could also coordinate exhibitions, work with the design and installation team, understand registration and art handling concerns, write a grant, talk to funders, evaluate, etc. Graduate programs in museum studies prepare people to be team players and to understand the needs and concerns of other museum departments. I feel that due to my background I am able to collaborate much better than my counterparts who do not have an understanding of museum structure.

M. said...

Oooh, man. I think museology programs are a mixed bag, but I'm in one for a variety of reasons, namely yeah, it has crept into more and more job descriptions. And it's a way to get grounding in some basic theory (I'm in collections management, where the gulf between reality and best practices is vast and slow to bridge), and some more variety of experience before I head on to a PhD program (probably). That may very well be overeducating myself; it may not, since I see more and more nat. sci. collections managers with PhDs.

But I also don't think museology programs are that homogenous, either between each other or within. And most of the people in my program value the practical experience much more than the (homogenous) theory. Almost everyone in my year came in with some museum or related experience (I think only one person had none and came straight out of undergrad), and we have very diverse backgrounds. I doubt there's much danger of us coming out thinking alike, and very few of us came in idealistic or wedded to impossible-to-implement ideals, since we'd already had at least some contact with the realities of museum work.

I gather other programs are much heavier on the 22-year olds. Mine is largely composed of late 20s to 30s.

To some extent, I could get what I'm getting out of my program via a job. *If I could get a job.* Like it or not, large parts of the museum field are becoming MS+, and it's either museology or a subject. In my speciality, MS programs are rare and few are especially well-regarded. Getting a real, full-time, quasipermanent job with my BA? Pretty unlikely.

Ryu said...

my girlfriend has a MA in museum studies and can't get a museum job to save her life. She got it at the University of LEICESTER in england and supposedly it is a recognized program. She wishes that she saved the 30,000 student loan for something that would actually land her a job. She feels really bad about it because she feels like she wasted a ton of money and time and can only get 12$ jobs tutoring. No other employers find it valuable.

Anonymous said...

Nina,

Instead of looking for tangible skills, perhaps you should be looking for the values Museology grad programs offer. Museums, I have noticed, are dinosaurs. They are often strapped for cash and do not offer their audiences the level of connection they deserve. Perhaps you're beef is with the field and not the grad programs?

Museology allows students to reflect on what a museum could be. It gives them a chance to create a personal vision for the field. Without this vision a professional cannot truly make a difference in the community, the museum, or the world. Perhaps this vision makes professionals entrenched in failing institutions worried about their job security?

Many museums are hurting. Many museums are outdated. Many communities are hurting too. It is a broken field and needs all the help it can get. Encourage recent grads! These emerging museum professionals deserve mentors and that is your chance to make an impression on them.

Perhaps you should adopt a Museum Studies student and show them what makes you a success, what makes your museum a success, and what makes the field worthy of their skills and dedication. Shame on you for dissuading these hard-working, incorrigible, and creative people. For shame.

Nina Simon said...

Dear Anonymous shamester,
I do want to encourage museum studies students and graduates to be creative visionaries. It's just not what I've seen thus far. Instead, I've seen people who have learned a uniform way to behave and progress in museum jobs. I have worked with, mentored, and learned from many students, and I support them. I just question whether they got something valuable out of their experience.

But! I am going to make a more serious attempt. I'm teaching a class at the UW Museology program this spring and it will be a real opportunity for me to confront some of my own deep-seated prejudices in open exploration with students. I hope they will change my mind.

Chris Ubik said...

Nina,

I am pursuing an MA in Museum Studies and I just stumbled upon this post. It was an interesting read, but I am intrigued by your final comment and was wondering about how your experience was teaching in the UW Museology program went. Did it provide an opportunity for you to confront those "deep-seated prejudices" as you hoped? If so, in what way?

Thanks,
Chris

Nina Simon said...

Chris,
Yet to find out-it runs from April-June 2009. I'll be sure to write about the experience!

Amanda said...

I am currently considering an MA in Museum Studies, and your blog raises points that make me question my decision. Therefore, any advice from museum professionals who have and have not obtained an MA in museum studies would be appreciated.

I graduated in 2007 with degrees in Art History and Art Conservation. For the past year and a half, I have been working in a new museum and archives. I have gained experience processing and cataloguing photos in addition to obtaining images for a new exhibition. I have recently been reassigned to process and digitize on a specific archival collection. Now, this isn't exactly the direction I'm interested in, but due to the economy I don't have many options.

I would like to work hands on with objects and other cultural property, but am open to the possibility of curating. Yet as a newer employee in this field, I have been told that in order to move up or even switch directions in museums, I need a Master's Degree.

From researching museum studies programs and reading books, it seems like the right direction to go in. However, I need to keep working while attending school so my options are somewhat limited. I'm starting to look into online MS programs such as Johns Hopkins. Yet, I'm concerned as someone who wants to work hands on with objects and create museum links with other professionals.

Some people, as I've read, don't feel that museum studies graduates obtain the same experience as someone who works within a museum. What would you think of someone who received a MA degree online?

Shannon Foley said...

This article is absolutely fantastic in it's timing. I got declined for admission to University of Washington's museology program two days ago. They accepted less than 20% of their applicants. I have worked in a few museums throughout my college career and majored in history and thought grad school was just the next step. I am beginning to find out that just might not be the case. Anyway, thank you for this amazing article. It really made my day. I still will probably go to grad school for museum studies and I'm not knocking it at all, but this article just cheered me up so much.

Meghan said...

Nina,
I have just graduated with an MA in Museum Studies. There are definitely days when I question its validity, however, I think that many of your points are generalizations that don't reflect the field or the degree.
If we learn anything as MS students its that there isn't a right way or a standard way. Instead we are prepared for the possibilities and the variances that museum work inevitably entails.
A good museum studies program blends the "hard skills" that you favour with the equally essential "soft skills" that the workforce requires. We are used to making great things out of few resources. We can design educational programming, conduct conservation studies, mount an exhibition, write a curatorial essay. We may have been able to acquire these skills elsewhere, but going to school is an option that works for many people.
We enter the workforce jaded to the realities of the museum but with a strong sense of purpose. We know the limitations and the realities and take up the challenge of navigating the field. We have experience, skills, and education. We are each one unique, having different backgrounds, individual aptitudes and interests. I doubt you would find a grad who thinks that school taught them everything they need to know about museums. And we are worthy of a chance to prove ourselves.

Anonymous said...

I don't feel this is an either-or situation. I worked in museums as an unpaid and barely paid educator, tour guide and exhibit development team member for four years before attending Bank Street for a Masters in Museum and Elementary Ed. My job experiences showed me the everyday realities of museum work and taught me to trust my instincts about my audiences. Bank Street gave me the opportunity to explore those experiences and instincts through the additional lens of theory and tradition-Piaget, Vygotsky, Dana and Dewey. Both cemented my financially-impoverishing, but personally and professionally enriching love of empowering people through informal learning experiences at museums.

Anonymous said...

I would agree that an EXPENSIVE graduate degree in museum studies/museology may not be that helpful. But I would also argue that this is true for just about any social science/humanities degree. If you're going to be in debt for the rest of your life because of it, it's probably not worth it.

But many museum studies programs are very affordable and offer funding to qualified students. So, if you can get into one of those situations then it is very worthwhile! And personally I decided to do the MA in museum studies because I was told by several professionals that it's the only way to get a good position at a museum these days. Most job announcements I see require it, unless you have many years of professional museum experience. So for those of us that are too young to have that kind of experience under our belt, the degree is the better option!

No matter how much education you get, you won't be raking in the big bucks in a museum job unless you are the director. So I would only recommend graduate school if you can do it cheaply at a reputable school.

Anonymous said...

man what a great article! i've been doing a ton of research to see if a grad program was what I wanted to do and i'm still on the fence. I see both points of view and feel that it might not be really worthwhile, but all the museum people I work with ( i volunteer at a local museum) say I'll need it to get a real job.

Anybody have any thoughts on which school's museum grad programs are at least legit? Right now i'm debating between bank street and NYU but leaning toward NYU since I already have a elementary ed bachelors. So many decisions lol. I was a prior navy flight engineer so my gi bill will be paying for grad school so I basically have a free ride and want to use it in the best way possible!

Scarlett said...

I found this post fascinating. I'm half-way through a museum studies MA myself. I went into it straight out of undergrad. I'd started looking for museum jobs in my senior year of college, and it seemed like an MA was required for anything beyond work in a gift shop. I was concerned about the usefulness of the degree, especially as museum professionals I'd interned with in the past told me that people in the field tended to view graduates of museum studies programs as being long on confidence and short on knowledge and ability, and that I needed to make sure to get practical experience in whatever program I ended up in. Sure, I'd love to be getting experience and getting paid at the same time. That didn't seem like an option. I think I'm getting good, practical knowledge and skills, and useful theoretical background. And sure, maybe I could have gotten that at a job, without paying for it - but would I have been able to get a job without it? Not according to the job announcements I saw.

Yeah, I guess I got a little defensive, too :-)

Jasper said...

I entered grad school for Museum Studies (CO, Boulder) in 2000. I dropped out half way through the program. I found it too soft and theoretical (and not even rigorous at that). The program was being invaded by Education zombies. Too many flow charts!

I went on to become a registrar and have been working in the museum/historical field for 12 years (I had some experience when I went into the program). Although the thought that I didn't finish sometimes bothers me, I can honestly say the lack of Masters hasn't made a difference.

My advice would be to skip the museum studies degree and specialize. Get a Masters in History if you want to be a curator at a History Museum. Get a degree in digital information management if you want to be a registrar. Get a Masters in Education if you want to work in museum education.

The benefit of all of those degrees is that they're also transferable to other fields. There aren't actually all that many museum jobs out there, so it's nice to have a degree that's useful for other jobs too.

Anonymous said...

I have been considering a post grad degree in Museum studies, but family members have questioned the practicality of the degree. Reading these posts has made me question the idea too. "Following your heart" and "do what you love" are not legal tender in any country.

On another point the experience vs education debate, I think, has always had one major flaw: young people like myself, (I just turned 26) don't have much experience. We simply haven't lived long enough! So after years of being told to do well in school, we get shot down at interviewing time simply because we spent all those years in school…Employers want "experience". It's frustrating and disheartening, especially when one thinks about how expensive school is. Sometimes I wonder if I shouldn't have gone to work in the gas station after high school, I seem no better off.

Nina Simon said...

Anon (most recent one),
I completely agree about the experience paradox. I dealt with that by starting out as a volunteer (a very honestly ambitious one) and getting experience at no or low pay at several museums over the course of a year by working part-time at several in parallel. I learned a lot both about the museum world and my own interests, and was able to transition to full-time after about 1.5 years of scraping by. Many people might say, "I can't afford to volunteer" and that's often true-but it's a heck of a lot cheaper than paying for school! And if you can stomach it, I found an incredibly well-paying museum job to support my other no- or low-paying ones: art modeling.

Of course it's not all about money-I also believe I received a good general museum education working at lots of places and finding diverse mentors.

Take heart. Find a place you love and see how you can be of service. Read some books, find a mentor, learn something, and make a difference. You don't have to settle for the gas station.

Lyla Conrad said...

Nina, Hi, We met at the AAM conference in April when I attended your panel. I was the overwhelmed undergraduate who couldn't remember why I wanted to meet you, but I did have a really cool business card. Anywho, my BA is Art History, In December I plan to apply to Arts Admin. and Arts Mgmt. grad programs.

During the summer I was working as a curatorial assistant, managing the merging of two collections of several hundred thousand items during an organizational merger, they kept sending me grad students who said "what, moving objects isn't real museum experience!" "why is this undergrad girl bossing us around" I know I have real museum experience, but I am concerned about my ability to compete for jobs when I move to a larger city.

Do you have any thoughts on Arts Admin programs? I know it is not ideal to go directly into a grad program but I didn't meet a single person at AAM who was graduating this year with their MA that had more experience than I already have.

Nina Simon said...

Hi Lyla,
I don't know much about Arts Admin programs. If you want a job, get a job--don't go to school! Check out these thoughts about using free work to get into a great position. Find someone you want to work for, show them how you can help them, and then pester them like crazy.

If you do want to check out the school route, I've heard good things about this MBA/arts admin program in Wisconsin: http://www.bolzcenter.org/ One of their professors, Andrew Taylor, is a friend and a smart blogger.

William said...

I’m a bit late to this discussion –but it just recently came to my attention. My remarks are based on my art museum experiences.

Ask any college president and they will tell you that art schools and arts administration/museum programs tend be big revenue generators for universities. These programs seem populated by a rather conservative and homgeneous lot. Further, I'm a bit leery of professors who have been out of the field for more than a couple of years. The landscape and demographic changes are occurring very, very quickly and most museums are now struggling to catch up.

As a point of reference, you certainly don't need an MA or even a BA, for that matter, to be a good artist. Artist Barbara Kruger has a particularly humorous outlook on "all these art grad students that are being vomited up into the marketplace." And the market at this moment is not particularly robust. This is not a judgment on my part - rather an observation.

I've directed two museums - and building a solid staff was a combination of matching work experience with desire and an entrepreneurial, collaborative nature. My assistants had business degrees or some level of business experience. You can teach specific job content or retain consultants for very special projects such as marketing surveys or strategic plans. My most recent education director had never worked in a museum but had produced a number of children's TV programs and was an exceptional project manager. I acknowledge that curators and registrars bring specific skills to the party. However, some of the best curators I know had in-the-trenches commercial gallery experience. Museums (art) are part of a larger art-market ecosystem.

I've had numerous conversations with Museology students and it seems they are not getting where "the rubber-meets-the-road" info. for example, financial, budget, revenue projections, cost analysis management, customer service and satisfaction and sales (yes, fundraising is sales.) I expected all staff to be involved in that effort. Most museums are not the size of MoMA - so strict specialization is unhelpful.

Can Museum MAs hurt? Of course not, but they are an asset best combined with real world and well-rounded experience.

Anonymous said...

Hi Nina,

Thanks so much for this blog!

I am currently half way through a post grad Museum Studies course, and struggling, to be honest.

My studies keep taking a back seat to my job as an assistant registrar at a transport museum. This role is teaching me more about museums in the 'real world' than anything I have done in class.

I am one of the 'younger generation' talked about earlier, fresh from my BA (Anthropology). I feel that my grad course has been great for teaching me about theories of collection management and care, but I have also picked up a lot of practical skills from my previous boss.

It is sometimes hard to swallow the ethical debates in my university readings, when at the same time I am having to deal with budget requirements, tantruming collection managers and inadequate storage facilities on a day-to-day basis.

However, when looking at position descriptions, they all seem to require a post grad qualification. Is this just a continuing trend, like so many other employment fields, or is there a definite need for post graduate qualifications?